Evacuate, or else. [SOUND] Northern Gaza is being pounded relentlessly by Israeli strikes, reducing entire neighborhoods to rubble. >> Speaker 1: Every morning we wake up to killings and death, this resident says. [00:00:18] We don't know where to go. We don't know where's safe. >> Speaker 2: The IDF has reportedly started conducting local raids on the ground in Gaza a day after ordering 1.1 million Palestinians to evacuate their homes, which is impossible. [00:00:33] It's not feasible, and we'll get into specifically why that's not possible in the most densely populated place on Earth in a minute. But before that, we have to talk about everything that's happened so far. Now, ahead of this ground invasion, from CNN, [00:00:50] Israeli forces dropped about 6,000, you heard me right, you read that right, 6,000 bombs on Gaza between October 7th and 12th, the Israeli Air Force said in a statement Thursday. Now, on top of that, Human Rights Watch also found that the IDF used white [00:01:09] phosphorus in Gaza, which can severely burn people and set fire to civilian structures, and as I mentioned, such a densely populated area. Of course, the IDF denies this. It's a war crime, they're gonna deny it. Doesn't make it not true. [00:01:25] Now, at least 423,000 Gazans have already been displaced by the airstrikes. A little more on that. For six days, Israeli warplanes have pounded Gaza with airstrikes that have reduced streets and homes to rubble, and [00:01:43] killed more than 1,799 people, including 583 children, and injured 7,388 others, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. And those numbers continue to increase every hour of every day, it seems. [00:01:59] And obviously, we have to mention as well that over 1,300 Israelis have been killed by Hamas, many of whom were civilians. As I mentioned previously, the IDF has called for those 1.1 million Gazans living in the north to move south, [00:02:18] and Israeli government has cut off power to Gaza. So many people living there don't have any charge in their cell phones anymore. They don't have a way to receive this information. So what the IDF did was dropped leaflets from planes into Gaza calling for [00:02:35] the residents to head south. So here's what those leaflets said. Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields. In the following days, the IDF will continue to operate significantly in [00:02:52] Gaza City and make extensive efforts to avoid harming civilians. And I'll explain to you shortly why that statement is just blatantly false, a complete lie. But before we get to that, we need to discuss why it's not possible to evacuate 1.1 million people from Gaza. [00:03:10] Again, it's one of the most densely populated places on Earth. So here's a little bit more detail on what this order from Israel means for the people of Gaza. >> Speaker 3: Israel has called for everyone north of the wetland called Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City, to evacuate south, some 1.1 million people. [00:03:30] But it's not just homes that must be evacuated. This area contains at least ten hospitals, three UN-run compounds, and two refugee camps. From the top of Gaza to the Wadi, it's only about ten miles, a four-hour walk on clear roads. [00:03:45] But since Saturday, there have been more than 6,000 airstrikes across Gaza, leaving many roads unpassable. And if the deadline is to be met, since announcing it last night, 46,000 people would have had to cross from north of Gaza to the south every single hour. [00:04:04] >> Speaker 2: And for everybody saying, why don't they just leave? First of all, it's the largest open air prison in the world. The people living there do not have freedom of movement. But also, the southern exit into Egypt, known as the Rafah Crossing, has been closed, leaving them with absolutely nowhere to go. [00:04:20] In fact, it was also bombed. The roads there were extensively bombed. So even if it was open, they wouldn't be able to get there safely. And thankfully, the UN has aggressively spoken out against what Israel is ordering. Here's a statement from the United Nations. [00:04:36] The United Nations considers it impossible for such a movement to take place without devastating humanitarian consequences. The United Nations strongly appeals for any such order, if confirmed, to be rescinded, avoiding what could transform what is already a tragedy into a calamitous situation. [00:04:52] And they stopped short of calling it what I will call it right now, genocide. An attempt [00:08:02] But we don't control Hamas and we didn't know it was coming. But we can influence Israel, and Israel is saying, we are going to kill those people now. [00:08:18] So there's no conflict in saying what Hamas did was unimaginable and awful, and saying, do not kill thousands of innocent civilians in Palestine. [00:08:36] There is no conflict between those two things. You can say both of those things at the same time. And by the way, here, let me say a note to the demagogues, okay? So, when someone says, maybe we should not kill those Palestinian civilians, saying, you're helping Hamas is not gonna work here, okay? [00:08:54] You can take that crap and send it somewhere else. I don't care what kind of demagogging and propaganda you're going to do, we are not in favor of killing those civilians. Don't tell me that, golly gee, it was all an accident, when you bombed a bus full [00:09:11] of civilians, kill 70 of them, and then go, well, no, not well. You say, well, Hamas did it, is that your standard now? Is Israel using the Hamas standard? That is a very fair question. Because I would hope, I would beg and [00:09:30] beseech Israel to not use the Hamas standard. And then here's another demagogue thing to say, well, why don't they just leave? Okay, either you're saying you're profoundly ignorant when you say that, or you're saying, haha, we know they can't leave. [00:09:47] We know that they're trapped inside of Gaza. They can't get out from Israel, they can't get out from Egypt. They have a naval and air blockade. There is literally no way to leave Gaza. It is a tiny little area with 2.2 million people packed in it, [00:10:02] half of them under the age of 18. Dropping 6000 bombs. Now, the Hamas rockets are awful, they kill people, etc, so I'm not saying this to minimize the Hamas rockets. But they are much, much smaller than the Israeli bombs. [00:10:19] The Israeli bombs, as you just saw with your own eyes, level whole buildings at a time. And the Palestinians don't have Iron Dome. Israel has Iron Dome. It doesn't make anything Hamas did justifiable, but that's not the point. [00:10:34] The point is you're not Hamas. You're supposed to be a democracy. Okay, we have a thousand things to say. I wanna let Ramesh in here but one last thing for now, if you say I'm gonna cut their water and gas and electricity and everything [00:10:52] they need to sustain themselves, and if the kids are on incubators, and people are on life support in the hospitals, and I'm gonna cut their electricity and let them die, you're saying I run an open air prison. I run a place where they cannot escape and [00:11:11] where I will kill them whenever I want to. Now, Israel doesn't wantingly kill them most of the time, right? But they do from time to time, and they definitely keep them as prisoners. [00:11:27] There is no question in the world. And one of the reasons for the occupation is, well, we can't trust these savages. And so since we can't trust them, we need to hold them basically hostage. We're holding 2 million people hostage. [00:11:43] And so when Hamas does something barbaric like this, we're gonna punish all 2 million, because that's why we were keeping them as prisoners in the first place. So that if you dare mess with us, we cut their water so they can't drink, we cut their electricity so they can't live if they're in the hospitals. [00:12:01] Because we have them as hostages. Be honest about it. Be honest about it, what Hamas did is unjustifiable, in my opinion, morally, in any way, shape, or form. But the occupation is also completely morally unjustifiable. [00:12:19] And if you're hurt by that fact, okay, I hear you, people get super emotional about their own identity. I do, everybody does. We're all human. But I'm asking you to get beyond that and see the facts. There is no occupation that can be justified like this, and certainly not for [00:12:36] 56 years. Ramesh. >> We have to start and end with the sense of compassion and care for the sanctity of life, right? And it's quite clear in this situation that Palestinian lives don't matter. [00:12:52] Specifically, the lives of peoples in Gaza don't matter nearly to the extent that other lives do, right? And I think that that is what we're getting at here. Keep in mind, everybody, as you both alluded to, Hamas has been, I'm sorry, excuse me. [00:13:07] Gaza has been an open air prison, as you said, administered in an apartheid-type state since 2006. So that means nearly half of the entire population of the Gaza Strip, [00:13:23] around 2 million or so people, have been born and grown up in an open air prison. There is no place for the refugees in Gaza to head to, and this is something I know firsthand, we can talk about it more. I've spent time in the Sinai, I have multiple friends in Gaza and Gazan friends [00:13:44] who were unable to migrate since 2013 when the Egyptians bombed the tunnels, which were the main underground source of supplies, health care, water, and so on. So this gets to, I think, a very, very important question. [00:14:00] Who cares about Palestinian lives? And what does it take to protect Palestinian people's lives? Recognizing that the ways Palestinian lives have been infringed upon, especially in the Gaza Strip, but also to a lesser extent, but [00:14:15] also brutal extent, through settler colonialism in the West Bank, has led to a situation where brutal terroristic deplorable acts were taken up by Hamas. The rockets really don't tend to have much effect, but they came in with [00:14:30] parachutes and so on and carried out a brutal, brutal set of attacks. So, think about this, a few million people living in one of the most densely populated places in the world. Think about Los Angeles, Washington, DC, Philadelphia, three times more density of population in Gaza city who are being told you've got to go, [00:14:50] but they have nowhere to go to. They can't access the sea, they can't access Egypt through the Sinai, they can't access Israel, for obvious reasons, right? They have nowhere to go. The Ukrainians had a refugee corridor, Palestinians do not. So, I wanna ask the question, what is the end game here for the Israelis? [00:15:10] And why has our government not taken, actually, any sense of moral responsibility or compassion for Palestinian lives just to try to end this as soon as possible, to deescalate this and bring this, at the minimum, to a ceasefire? What is the end game? [00:15:26] And so many of my Jewish friends, including Israeli friends, are not supportive of what is going on here. But they often tell me we have almost a psychic fear of what they call collective annihilation. We know where that came from, and we understand and have compassion for [00:15:42] how that has been imprinted upon Israeli peoples and Jewish peoples around the world. But is the solution to a fear of collective annihilation the collective annihilation or the collective punishment, which is a war crime, it's a crime against humanity of another set of peoples? [00:16:01] An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Someone pretty famous once said that. So what are we gonna do? What's the end game here? Why is our media not asking any of these tough questions? Why can not the most powerful nation in the history [00:16:16] of the world do something to stop this? That does not justify what Hamas did, but it doesn't come out of a lack of context. >> Speaker 2: So look, there's one other commentator that we wanna get to, conservative, who seemed to be celebrating this, and [00:16:33] I'm gonna let Ray get to that in a second. But I want to make sure everybody understand this. One of the things I'm worried about, a lot of things I'm worried about innocent Palestinian civilians. I'm worried about the Israeli hostages that are there, by the way, [00:16:49] when you bomb a building, what if they have the hostage in the building? So who are we helping? What are we doing, right? But one of the things that I'm worried about is that these actions by the Israeli government accidentally help Hamas. [00:17:05] Because I asked the same question Ramesh asked about this Israeli action, about Hamas, and you heard me ask that several times this week. What's the end game? You go butcher these poor, innocent people? How does that get any support for your cause? It doesn't make any sense. It makes you the bad guy. [00:17:21] It makes you look like a monster. It seems to validate the stereotypes that people have about you, about Palestinians, about Muslims. Such a terrible thing to do but maybe this was their end game. Maybe the end game was provoke Israel into an overreaction that is so [00:17:38] large that it horrifies the world because there is no end to the occupation. Israel, at this point is saying, we're not even offering you any peace treaties. We're not going to the table. We're not negotiating. [00:17:54] So your occupation and your imprisonment will pretty much be forever. And we need you to reject all of your leaders. We need you to reject everyone and come to us with people who will tell us what we wanna hear. That is not how you negotiate with your enemies. [00:18:10] You cannot say to your enemies, I hate you, so why don't you give me someone who will agree with me instead of you? That's not how it works. Imagine if Hamas went in and said, I hate Netanyahu. Why don't you give me some Israeli that's gonna agree with the Palestinians instead? [00:18:25] That's an absurd request. It's an insane request. You negotiate with enemies. You don't negotiate with friends when you need a peace treaty. If that was Hamas's trap, please do not fall into that trap. It doesn't help the Palestinians and it doesn't help the Israelis. [00:18:43] And so I'm gonna ask a hypothetical at the end to all of you, not just our host here, but to the audience, but now to the issue of the civilians being killed. What president Herzog said, and I've seen president Herzog be reasonable in other instances, but this was a terrible moment for him. [00:19:00] Because think about the consequences of what he says other than moral consequences of saying the civilians are guilty, the civilians shouldn't have supported Hamas. The civilians it's the entire nation that's at fault. But president Herzog, that's what Hamas says. [00:19:17] Hamas says, well, you guys elected Netanyahu, and you elected these right wing government. And this right wing government will keep us occupied forever, so we had no choice but to attack your civilians. Do not agree with Hamas. That is a terrible idea. [00:19:41] >> Speaker 3: Newsmax host Greg Kelly celebrated the idea of totally annihilating Gaza. Take a look. >> Speaker 4: And Israel right now is doing a fantastic job pounding Gaza night and day. [00:19:56] It's exactly what they deserve. Take a look at, from the ground perspective, what it looks like. I mean, it's kinda hard to believe, though, as this, to me, looks like total victory, right? Total annihilation doesn't work that way. [00:20:12] You still have to go in with the ground troops. >> Speaker 3: 50% of the people who live in Gaza are children. The average age of a Gazan resident is 18 years old. And that was Greg Kelly. I don't mean to be crude, but horny at the idea of annihilating an entire group [00:20:30] of people gleefully cheering on the genocide of the Palestinian people. And just to give a little bit of context about the conditions, Greg Kelly, who's never suffered a moment in his life, the conditions that the people of Gaza have to live through. 97% of them don't have access to clean drinking water because they don't have [00:20:47] access to clean drinking water. Instances of kidney disease is particularly prevalent in Gaza. They don't have the medical equipment to be able to adequately treat those diseases because Israel won't let them have it. So they have to get special passes from the Israeli government to get treatment, [00:21:04] which can and do get revoked for any or no reason whatsoever. The unemployment rate is 50%. The youth unemployment rate is 70%. Their previous liberation organizations that were more secular, more inspiring, were undermined by the Israeli state who bolstered and [00:21:22] funded Hamas as recently as 2019. Benjamin Netanyahu is on the record, speaking to members of his party in the Knesset, saying, in order to prevent the establishment of an Israeli state. We need to continue to bolster and send money to Hamas. I mean, these are the conditions that these people have to suffer through. [00:21:40] And there is, again, Greg Kelly, who's never suffered a moment in his life, smiling in the face of genocide. Utterly repulsive. >> Speaker 1: As I said, about 50% of the population of Gaza were [00:21:57] born in an open air prison. Their entire lives have been in an apartheid state. You can imagine what their lives are like. Their lives have already been foreclosed from the time they were born. The average life expectancy in Gaza, the last time I checked, [00:22:14] is almost 30 years lower than life expectancy in the countries in the world with the highest life expectancy. Which, by the way, is not us in the United States. It gets to the key point of what lives matter on this planet, right? Sub Saharan Africans, their lives don't matter. [00:22:30] They're drowned in the Mediterranean. Central Americans, their lives don't matter. Apprehend them at the Mexico Guatemala border. Yemenis, their lives didn't matter. Ukrainians, their lives matter maybe a little bit more. What's going on here? It's very clear how this game is being set up for all of us. [00:22:48] And I also just wanna note and the Greg Kelly example is just one of many examples I've seen. I've been combing mainstream media, which drives me insane, as you know, over the last week or so, since Saturday. It's unbelievable to me how the shock that's been created out of this series [00:23:06] of events has been used to legitimate and normalize the continued destruction. And the amplification of violence by the Israeli state with the US and West's full backing. This is the Shock Doctrine, a very famous book by Naomi Klein that was written to [00:23:22] discuss things like 911 and everything that happens afterward. And that's what we're seeing happening right in front of us right now. So, again, I wanna ask the Israeli state or the US government or whoever, Macron, anybody, what is your end game here? Is it the continued incarceration of Palestinian peoples, which clearly, in and [00:23:41] of itself, to your point, Cenk, is not really working. It might be working for the right wing Israeli government as well as Hamas, but it's not working for anyone else, right? It's not working for anyone else. What is their end game? Is it a collective annihilation of all Palestinians? Is it some sort of like, let's get back to having them in prison and [00:23:58] be obedient servants? That didn't work because it got worse and worse and worse. What's their end game? What's their vision? Does any of that vision have any respect for Palestinian life, given that these are kids we're talking about? >> Speaker 2: Yeah, so what Netanyahu and the Israeli government is doing right now is incinerating the moral high ground. [00:24:18] They had it. They had it for the first time and for so long, they had the moral high ground and the whole world was with them. And we empathized. You could say, hey, maybe the whole world wasn't with them, but a giant part of the world was with them. And even their critics. [00:24:33] I've criticized occupation for decades, and even I said, my God, look, my heart breaks, right? It's because it's not even there's a giant difference between opposing government action and killing civilians, okay? Now, though, Netanyahu says, okay, let's help Hamas. [00:24:53] Let's give them the moral high ground back. What are you doing? What are you doing? And so let's feed into their plan of making us look like the bad guys by being the bad guys. So am I asking Israel for restraint even though they're badly hurt? [00:25:10] Yes, you ask for the restraint, not in good times. You ask for the restraint when you're hurt, and we ask you to rise above it. And so that's for Israel, for the people that are monsters, [00:25:26] like Greg Kelly here in America. If you say, hey, listen, I love Israeli civilians, citizens, I have friends and family in Israel, etc, and they got hostages over there, we're gonna do what's necessary. We can argue and debate about what's necessary, okay? [00:25:43] But I understand that. I understand that way of thinking. But when you celebrate the mass deaths of 583 children and say, looks like total victory to me, you're a disgusting person. So if you're out there and your heart broke for the Israelis, and [00:26:02] you understand the need for striking back and trying to get the hostages, etc, please do not cross over to celebrating. If you celebrate this death and destruction, then you're saying something about yourself as opposed to your enemies, okay? >> Speaker 1: In my heart is broken for all my Israeli brothers and [00:26:20] sisters who have been targeted. And a lot of these people at this music festival, they're probably people like me. I love going to music festivals. They were never the problem, right? But at the same time, it's just so important to recognize how this also could really help the Netanyahu regime, [00:26:38] this shock doctrine, just like it helped George Bush, I'm not trying to make them totally equivalent right after 911, it helped Bush's vicious onslaught upon this world that we're living with still today. So as the Netanyahu regime becomes more and more authoritarian, more and [00:26:55] more neo-fascist, cutting out the judiciary, this can give them a blank check to do whatever horrific things they want to do. Recognizing that multiple members of this administration are already convicted for supporting terror against Palestinian peoples. [00:27:12] >> That is certainly possible. And that's why the right wing of all sides drive us to war and conflict, because they gain from it. But so far, the Israeli civilians, at least in the first poll, have proven way smarter than us, because 86% of them blame Netanyahu for [00:27:29] getting the intelligence wrong and failing at its core job of protecting Israelis. And I think those Israeli civilians are exactly right. Do not get deluded by right-wing monsters who gain from war and conflict and death. [00:27:46] Lay the blame where it belongs, 100% on Hamas, but also on the people who did not do the intelligence to protect you. And lastly, this is not for our host. I've decided I want you to think about this if you're in the audience. So let's say empathy for the Israelis, right? [00:28:03] Your family, I want you to empathize, not theoretically, but feel it, okay? So you have to think about it what if it happened to me? Your family gets brutally killed. I know I'd be in a rage. I'd be in a giant, uncontrollable rage, okay? [00:28:19] And then they tell you the guys who did it are in that building. But if you bomb that building, you're gonna get your revenge and you're gonna get your justice, but you're gonna kill ten innocent civilians, would you do it? [00:28:35] Would you do it if it was five innocent people and we use civilians and it sounds like almost war lingo, a grandmother, a child, an aunt, an uncle, and a sister, would you bomb the building? You're gonna get the bad guys, and you're gonna get your vengeance. [00:28:51] And I know I would want righteous vengeance, okay? But those other the two kids, the grandmother had said they're gonna die. I hope you don't say yes. I know I wouldn't say yes. [00:29:06] I'd rather storm the building myself to try to get the bad guys, but protect the grandmother and the two kids and the aunt and the uncle. I hope you say the same thing. But right now, as much as our heart went out to Israel in the beginning of the week and throughout the week, and it still goes out to them, to the civilians, [00:29:25] please do not bomb the building. It's not the right thing to do. But that's the decision they're making. We are trying to get everyone to do the right thing. I know it's an impossible task, and [00:29:42] especially after you've been hurt, but that's when heroes arise. That's also when bad guys arise. So right now, we haven't seen the heroes yet. I hope they arise out of Israel.